we know from double down, the new book, that he walks into a staff meeting before the campaign finishes and says i want to go back to my agenda, climate change and immigration and the other things. and they're in a slight state of horror because they know those are not going to be the issues. so what do you think arthur would think about how we've prepared people for going to 1600 pennsylvania avenue and whether obama is somebody that we ought to look at as a model, if you will, about having very high bandwidth but never having done that before? >> well, i will say that that actually is an interesting point because, after all, franklin roosevelt had been governor of new york, so he had that sense of how you run a big organization. and a big state. and eisenhower had run the military. but then you look at senator kennedy, he really didn't have any background in running a big operation, and obama -- also a senator -- comes in with very little preparation. and he's engulfed by this incredible storm on the economy. i mean, i think he's gotten us out of the worst recession since the great de